From rmg3@access5.digex.net Fri Oct 3 15:04:32 EDT 1997 Article: 153147 of sci.environment Path: digex!news2.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: rmg3@access5.digex.net (Robert Grumbine) Newsgroups: sci.environment Subject: Re: Observations of Climate Changes Date: 3 Oct 1997 14:26:45 -0400 Organization: Under construction Lines: 32 Message-ID: <613dd5$f3s@access5.digex.net> References: <3428142E.2959@facstaff.wisc.edu><60ue8d$p4u@drn.zippo.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access5.digex.net Xref: digex sci.environment:153147 Status: O In article <60ue8d$p4u@drn.zippo.com>, Peter wrote: >In article , fjyurco@midway.uchicago.edu says.. >> >>I realise that the proposal about the erosion removing carbon dioxide to >>such an extent is controversial still, but with the oceanic core evidence >>backing it, it seemed to make a reasonable case. Anyone care to comment on >>this question? >If this is the case, then our introduction of CO2 into the atmosphere could >offset another ice age. There is also the non-interference argument: "This is >bigger than we are (the natural universe). We have no right to mess with it." >Sometimes I agree with that, other times I don't. One additional factor we >should consider. What is the rate of CO2 injection from industrial activity >compared with the rate of removal from mountain growth? Industrial activity has injected 80 ppm in the last 100 years, and is currently providing about 1.5 ppm/year. This is a _net_ figure. If mountain weathering is removing any, this is already accounted for. We're _releasing_ enough carbon to raise the atmospheric level 3 ppm/year. Half is winding up other places (boreal forests, oceans). If Ruddiman and Raymo are right about the Himalayas, they're suggesting order 80 ppm atmospheric change in a couple of _million_ years. Geologically (very) interesting, but in no way comparable to the present anthropogenic effect. -- Robert Grumbine rmg3@access.digex.net Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences