From rmg3@access1.digex.net Mon Jul 7 21:25:16 EDT 1997 Article: 142056 of sci.environment Path: news2.digex.net!digex.net!not-for-mail From: rmg3@access1.digex.net (Robert Grumbine) Newsgroups: sci.environment Subject: Re: Question on general circulation models Date: 7 Jul 1997 21:23:33 -0400 Organization: Under construction Lines: 32 Message-ID: <5ps4ql$l9o@access1.digex.net> References: <33C14C94.3433@magi.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: access1.digex.net Xref: news2.digex.net sci.environment:142056 In article <33C14C94.3433@magi.com>, Tony Peluso & Ella Heyderwrote: >Hi: > >I have a question on the Canadian Climate Centre, UKMO and GFDL general >circulation models. When they are run under the reference scenario >(1XCO2), is CO2 the only greenhouse gas present in the models? Trivially, no. They all include water vapor, ozone, and their radiative effects (ozone is indeed a greenhouse gas, absorbing at 9.6 microns, which would otherwise be clear to space) as well. Whether they include the various anthropogenically-affected greenhouse gasses (CFC's, methane, some nitrogen oxides, etc.) individually, I'm not sure. V. Ramanathan did some well-known work in the early 80's on the role these other greenhouse gasses have (i.e., ultimately about equal to the effect of CO2 additions) on the radiative balances. If not included individually, they're included by increasing the CO2 level in the model by an amount equivalent to the missing contributions from the other gasses (this being based on Ramanathan's equivalences, and, no doubt, later work on the subject). The place to look is to do a web search for the AMIP (Atmospheric Model Intercomparison Project) pages at LLNL. The various (63 last I looked, which is a while) participating models are all described in some detail, I believe including this question. -- Robert Grumbine rmg3@access.digex.net Sagredo (Galileo Galilei) "You present these recondite matters with too much evidence and ease; this great facility makes them less appreciated than they would be had they been presented in a more abstruse manner." Two New Sciences