From merope@Radix.Net Tue Apr 24 10:08:56 2001 Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:08:55 -0400 (EDT) From: merope Reply-To: merope To: Daily Board Show Subject: Daily Board Show Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Same old, same old...its Your Daily Board Show! *warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk! Sunday 22 April 2001: Holly Timm asks Maggie Stewart to provide the source for her statement that Joe's motion is out of order. [and thus far, Maggie has not replied] Monday 23 April 2001: Tim Stowell asks the Board to vote for one of the following for the vacant NE/NC SC rep seat: George Waller, Lorraine Sonnenberg Newsome, Nathan Zipfel, or "none of the above". [Thus far, there are no votes, but we all know Georgie is a shoo-in on this one.] === Catching Up Corner: Been reading up on my mail that sat ignored for most of last week and boy, has the -ALL list been busy. Minor news is that our Esteemed National Commander has been behaving like a poorly socialized child in public again [accusing people of huffing "funny fumes", asking project members in good standing to leave, mixing up two very different people and then saying in effect "well, you all look the same to me", the same old embarassing behavior that is _so_ unbecoming in the leader of a nationally recognized volunteer group]. More than one project member has publicly pleaded with the AB to can his heinie and begin running the project as something as other than the NC's personal playground. [and when pigs fly, this might actually happen.] More major news is the ongoing scuffle over the Census Projects, which has resulted in the reappearance of the ever-charming Linda "Mine Mine Mine" Lewis. She has brought up for the umpteenth time that the Census Project was originally thought up by her and was part of the Archives and that it predates the Bylaws. [Her argument with this last point seems to be that the Archives and CP are somehow exempt from their provisions.] She also notes that there is no longer an Archives Census Project, but gracefully sidesteps questions about the status of the Project Formerly Known as the Archives Census Project. The PFKATACP left the Archives some months ago and has been operating under the name of the USGenWeb Census Project, although the Board did not sanction the formation of a new Special Project, per the bylaws [an issue the Board and NC have also gracefully sidestepped] and despite the fact that the original USGW Census Project has formally incorporated and applied for service mark of its own under that name. As usual, Linda's comments on the subject are full of first person pronouns and possessives [I, me, my], but provide little substantive response to the many criticisms of her intractable position. Once the questions get hard, she falls back on her reputation [which many of us find very amusing, given what her reputation is.] Of note however in all this meaningless blather, Linda has publicly refused both to withdraw her service mark application or to amend it to change the applicant's name to that of the USGenWeb Project, even when asked to do so for the good of the whole Project. Its that "I, me, mine" thing again. === "Man has an inexhuastible faculty for lying, especially to himself." ---George Santayana This has been your Daily Board Show. -Teresa Lindquist merope@radix.net ------- Daily Board Show, (c) 2001 by Teresa Lindquist, all rights reserved. From merope@Radix.Net Wed Apr 25 14:13:00 2001 Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 14:12:58 -0400 (EDT) From: merope Reply-To: merope To: Daily Board Show Subject: Daily Board Show, 4/25/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Do or die...its Your Daily Board Show! *warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk! Tuesday 24 April 2001: Maggie Stewart claims that her statement that executive orders cannot be overturned by motions from Roberts Rules of Order. Joy Fisher asks her to provide a more detailed reference since her copy of "The New Robert's Rules of Order" and "21st Century Robert's Rules of Order" do not mention executive orders. Holly Timm also notes that her copy of RRoO and does not contain Maggie's citation. === Fire Across the Bow Corner: Another interesting salvo in the ongoing war of words on the -ALL list: "I find it particularly insulting that you believe that the rest of the USGenWeb is so inept or so ridden with people wrapped up in imagined conspiracies bent on selling or destroying the Archives that it would be better to apply for the service mark of a group project in your own name. It simply allows you to depart the USGenWeb Project in a huff whenever you wish taking the Archives and its "USGenWeb" name with you. That potential threat puts the rest of the project in the position of having to do exactly whatever you want relative to the archives for fear of losing the archives--so much for cooperation. Your record in managing the Archives is not the issue. Do the Archives belong to the USGenWeb Project or not?" ---Robert Bremer to Linda "Who Else?" Lewis, 24 April 2001 No answer from our favorite Archives dominatrix yet. === "Remember: The golden rule is not 'He who has the gold makes the rules.' It's 'He who makes the rules takes the gold, and redefines the word 'steal'.'" ---found on a Usenet FAQ page, unattributed This has been your Daily Board Show. -Teresa Lindquist merope@radix.net ------ Daily Board Show, (c) 2001 by Teresa Lindquist, all rights reserved From merope@Radix.Net Thu Apr 26 13:17:45 2001 Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 13:17:44 -0400 (EDT) From: merope Reply-To: merope To: Daily Board Show Subject: Daily Board Show, 4/26/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: Tightening the noose...its Your Daily Board Show! *warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk! Wednesday 25 April 2001: Teri Pettit also notes that she cannot find any reference in Robert's Rules of Order that "states that an Executive Order cannot be overruled, overturned, reversed or undone by a Board motion." She suggests however that since mention of "overturning" the executive order may imply that the original action was invalid and this may be hard for some Board members to swallow, that they "write the motion in such a way that Motion 00-10 and Executive Order 2000-F-1 are reversed, rather than declared null and void?" [She is of course ignored, and we notice that Ms. Stewart has been rather quiet the last couple of days.] Thursday 26 April 2001: Tim Stowell announces that "George Waller has been selected by the Advisory Board to fill the Northeast / North Central SC Representative position." [Interesting. The count on his call for a vote from two days ago currently stands at 0 votes for George, 0 votes for Nate, and 0 votes for Lorraine. Looks like a tie to us.] === Just Like Magic Corner: Yes, you are not mistaken. The Archives has just obtained another seat on the Board. George Waller, whatever else his qualifications, is best known for being on of Linda's "Fab Four" group from the Project's early days and is also a co-founder of the Archives. While we are not surprised that he "won", we are curious as to how it came about. And although asked publicly, the Board members have so far been rather quiet on the topic. Two days ago, our Esteemed National Commander asked the Board to vote for either George, Lorraine or Nate. No public votes ensued. None. Nada. Zilch. Today he informs us that "the Advisory Board" selected George for the position. So, was there a vote? If there was a vote, why wasn't it done publicly, especially considering that the original call for votes went out over the public list? If there was no vote, how did "the Advisory Board" decide to award the seat to George? And why can't the project know how those who will represent it are selected? And a side question: Really, can they _get_ any more shameless? === "Power does not corrupt. Fear corrupts, perhaps the fear of a loss of power." ---John Steinbeck This has been your Daily Board Show. -Teresa Lindquist merope@radix.net ------- Daily Board Show, (c) 2001 by Teresa Lindquist, all rights reserved. From merope@Radix.Net Fri Apr 27 19:15:10 2001 Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 19:15:10 -0400 (EDT) From: merope Reply-To: merope To: Daily Board Show Subject: Daily Board Show, 4/27/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: O X-Status: We know what's best for you...its Your Daily Board Show! *warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk! Thursday 26 April 2001: Maggie Stewart says she'll have to go to the public library to look up the exact reference for her assertion that Joe's proposed motion is out of order. She things that "what it actually said was "An Executive Order can only be overturned by public mandate". Her "best guess" is that only another executive order could [although how that constitues "public mandate" is up in the air]. === "The problem is not the abuse of power, it is the power to abuse". ---Harry Browne This has been your Daily Board Show. -Teresa Lindquist merope@radix.net ------- Daily Board Show, (c) 2001 by Teresa Lindquist, all rights reserved. From merope@Radix.Net Mon Apr 30 13:07:25 2001 Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 13:07:24 -0400 (EDT) From: merope Reply-To: merope To: Daily Board Show Subject: Daily Board Show, 4/30/2001 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Status: RO X-Status: Putting the cart before the horse...its Your Daily Board Show! *warning* contains editorial content. Read at your own risk! Sunday 29 April 2001: Tim Stowell announces that "By a majority vote of the Advisory Board, Dick Marston has been selected to fill the position of CC Rep for the Northeast / Northcentral Region." [yes, yet another secret vote. They aren't even bothering to pretend anymore that they "don't do business" on the secret list.] Monday 30 April 2001: Tim rules that Joe's proposed motion to establish a Census Project is out of order because from his "reading", "Executive Orders they can not be overturned or revised except with another Executive Order." Holly Timm asks Tim to cite his source, since she has been "unable to find anything in or around RRO thatsays any such thing." Joe Zsedeny appeals the motion of the chair, noting that his motion to establish a census project is germane. Joe says he will rephrase his appeal in a subsequent message when he is calmer. He also notes that "the appeal needs a second and requires only a majority vote to reverse a ruling of the Chair." Joe appeals from the decision of the chair, noting "My motion to establish a census project, seconded by Joy is germane." Shari Handley has seconded the appeal. === Today's quote was sent in by a reader: "To see what is in front of one's nose requires a constant struggle." ---George Orwell This has been your Daily Board Show. -Teresa Lindquist merope@radix.net ------- Daily Board Show, (c) 2001 by Teresa Lindquist, all rights reserved.